Mclean sept long

[874runnersr5]

Pictures to be added within the hour :D

[874runnersr5]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42369526@N08/sets/72157622185186363/

[Tarzan]

This should go for photo of the month for Sept.

You know your in trouble when.....
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2562/3901059984_6042015f0a.jpg

[Tarzan]

Or this
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3486/3900281699_bdfacf4ce6.jpg

[BeachBoy]

my girlfriend hates when the truck getts too much sideways.. she would've freaked out

[BeachBoy]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2613/3901057458_e341a8eee7_b_d.jpg

I'm impressed it did not roll...

on the 2009 I'm sure the side airbags would've popped if the RSCA was on

[City_Rider]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2613/3901057458_e341a8eee7_b_d.jpg

I'm impressed it did not roll...

on the 2009 I'm sure the side airbags would've popped if the RSCA was on

We were all very impressed that it didn't roll - it was DAMN close two times when Albert was still on the throttle.

Funny thing is, Albert noticed that there weren't any members with a 6" lift and I mentioned the COG issue... If he had one, he would have flopped it for sure.

With me hauling on the tow rope attached to the B pillar I could rock the truck... Driver side front was never touching and the driver side rear was BARELY on solid ground. Quite the experience...

[874runnersr5]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLivAIMah5w

hehe, another good laugh of the day

[City_Rider]

Paging CalgaryRider, Paging CalgaryRider...

Where's the video of this s#**!?!?! I think you've got the best pictures too...

[874runnersr5]

yeah! and albert! we need photos and videos!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3465/3902251608_510f208983_b.jpg

and

my videos

http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d81/norco04rampage/Mclean%20sept%207th/

[Tarzan]

I'm willing to bet there are even more photos of this ooops.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7949/macleancreekoffroading0.jpg

[Tarzan]

From the videos it looks like the back of the pack had even more fun than we did out front. I'll work on trying to put somekind of report to capture the highlights (and there were many).

[BeachBoy]

btw, how the heck you got yourself in this position??

edit: nevermind I saw the video on FB

[874runnersr5]

From the videos it looks like the back of the pack had even more fun than we did out front. I'll work on trying to put somekind of report to capture the highlights (and there were many).


Me David Albert Shayne = dream team for 4x4in. :p

[CalgaryRider]

I will set up a photobucket account or something, maybe flickr so I can get the photos and video's up. For those of you with facebook they are up there as well

[S/C '03 taco]

you guys all should take the courses as i was super unimpressed as all of you left me and my father with a broken down truck(sammi) on the trail and none of you waited to help...very dissapointed in the showing of all the non course club members ( keith your included in this too as you are an instructor and should have been a little more on the ball)

but it's ok seeing as i am a mechanic i got it fixed well enough to get us out of the woods safely no thanks to anyone on the trail

i suggest you all take the courses as they are great for teaching trail etiquette as it appears none of you have any yet... it was like wheeling with jeep owners

thanks for the assistance boys it will be duely noted and remembered when your trucks break down on the trails and you come asking the toyota mechanic for help
hope this makes it clear that i think you were all very rude in leaving a wounded vehicle on the trail

[BeachBoy]

I'm sad to hear (well read) that...

[CalgaryRider]

where and when did this breakdown occur? a few of us headed back early (but ended up getting horribly lost) so we were unaware of a breakdown. What happened?

[RedApe]

you guys all should take the courses as i was super unimpressed as all of you left me and my father with a broken down truck(sammi) on the trail and none of you waited to help...very dissapointed in the showing of all the non course club members

but it's ok seeing as i am a mechanic i got it fixed well enough to get us out of the woods safely no thanks to anyone on the trail


Chris,
PM sent...

Glad to hear you made out ok.

[874runnersr5]

Yeah thats uber lame, next time im going to bring a cb to listen whats going on.

Just want to also say, sorry for my one friend in his green jeep that didnt know how to wheel. :mad:

[City_Rider]

Yeah thats uber lame, next time im going to bring a cb to listen whats going on.

Just want to also say, sorry for my one friend in his green jeep that didnt know how to wheel. :mad:

There were 4 of us who stuck with Antonio after it was discovered his front diff. was going... And then ended up quite lost.

Not sure if this was before or after the Samurai had issues - the last I heard of S/C '03 taco was when you were mentioning the Jeep had issues and needed help...

Then we got lost.

[Tarzan]

I was not named but I was the trail leader so the blame should go to me. I did not know we had a Sammy back there as when we left there was 13 vehicles and somewhere along the way we gained another three or four. Radio communication was sketchy at best as my cb was screwing up and frs just did not cut it for a group this big. We stopped and gathered up what I thought was the group and then we heard that there were others with difficulties that were turning back. We had one member leave the main group due to time and he was going to inform the others on his way back as to where we were. We stopped several times to re group but never heard from the lost group and I had no idea how many they were, who they were and where they were. I came into contact with the lost group on the way out and radioed them to confirm who they were. The lost group joined up with us again and again we lost them as 15 minutes later when we hit the road they were not with us. I raised the lost group on radio and came to help them when it was discovered the trouble they were in. I aided and pulled about a third of the vehicles that day but there were way more problems than I could deal with and I apologize to those who got lost and left behind.

[Tarzan]

My biggest mistake I think was not designating a tail gunner with experience and radio plus I should have made it crystal clear that they are to stay at the back. I mentioned to some that we stay in visual contact with the vehicle behind us but I should have called everyone together and stressed the importance of this instruction. I should have kept the first timers much closer in the pack to me but there were so many it was not possible. The vehicle failures were not due to the trails we ran I believe and everyone seemed to be happy with the trails we ran.

I am taking the courses this weekend and this will be brought up I'm sure.

[S/C '03 taco]

My biggest mistake I think was not designating a tail gunner with experience and radio plus I should have made it crystal clear that they are to stay at the back. I mentioned to some that we stay in visual contact with the vehicle behind us but I should have called everyone together and stressed the importance of this instruction. I should have kept the first timers much closer in the pack to me but there were so many it was not possible. The vehicle failures were not due to the trails we ran I believe and everyone seemed to be happy with the trails we ran.

I am taking the courses this weekend and this will be brought up I'm sure.

i am experienced , have taken all courses, and was at the very rear with my father who joined us at the gravel pit on the way in and i did have a radio and was using it with no response because i had no idea what station everyone was on if on at all....

i told the guy in the "mud man " sweater that was with keith at the time the sammi went down that we were having issues and still he went on to leave us behind to fend for ourselfs....i am a mechanic for toyota and am capable of fixing the sammi that me and my father built from ground up but it still would have been nice to have some patience and help while we repaired and were able to either continue or get out with the rig in one piece or atleast waiting to see if we are even properly geared for our own recovery and towing if needed, instead we were left like we were'nt even part of the group....

i do believe the first time i was on the trail with you harry i towed you out when you got stuck on fisher west for the first official CT4WDA trail run at mclean in may at the first mud bog.....i guess what goes around does'nt come back around all the time:(

[Max Magnet]

I had no idea this happened, and obvious from above that some others didn't either -so yes the group failed miserably. It's disturbing that some knew and just moved on.
Max Magnet

[BeachBoy]

we need to look at the good side of thing, I think there will be very good learnings from this run.

Let's be positive

[Tarzan]

I pulled, towed and spotted alot of folks and had I known what was up at the back you would have been one of them (assuming you needed it). Goes to show how important communication and rules are which also leads to the need for courses.

[874runnersr5]

hey, atleast everyones safe right?
;)

[Tarzan]

Yes that is the up side to all of this but so far we have lost a child and now a group whats next?

hey, atleast everyones safe right?
;)

[874runnersr5]

a city? :D

[Andyl]

Repeat after me... Learning experience.

So next time you might need 4 trail leaders not just one up front and one behind. Lets hope we can avoid the sign-in/sign-out sheets that are used by some of the clubs on the bigger club runs...

Unfortunately it's everyones responsibility to keep track of the group - clipboard, paper next time... And late = missing the run - not trying to bring up the rear / catch up to the group - its a rule in some clubs for a reason...

[Doc McCoy]

It is also important to note that this was an unofficial run. The CT4WD team did not organise or have any control over this event (even if one may have been present).

The purpose of this section is for forum members to meet up informally and have a good time on the trail. It's sad to hear that things did not go so well on this run (at least for some - at least one person had a good time right?). Sometimes things escalate as one problem seems to compound another and frustration starts to creep in. Some people are on "schedules", and some people are not in the most capable rigs (due to being a "stocker" or because of mechanical issues) ... this can cause a lot of friction. It is a learning experience for sure.

A couple new rules about posting or starting threads in this section may be imposed due to feedback from various people attending the run on the weekend. Nothing major, just clarifications. Ultimately though, once you hit the trail on unofficial run, CT4WD has zero control over it.

Remember too, if you think organising a trail run with 10-20 trucks on it is a nightmare (which it can be), Nathan is on a trail run in California right now (supposed to be there myself :p ) that has aprox. 150 trucks. So 10-20 trucks is a walk in the park! Get out there, try and be "trail courteous", don't wreck the trails and most importantly have a great time.

[canadian bum]

Basic practice is your resposible for the vehicle in front of you, your own vehicle, the vehicle behind you. If you see things turn south inform the drivers fast to avoid serious damage. Its a team sport if you want to have the alone wheeling attitude but are out with a group in case you get stuck that is not the attitude we need.
I wasn't there but I have been reading this whole thread as well as seeing pics. I organized my own trail run in a much more remote location.

Don't brush this off as a "No one got hurt" situation because if this was a more remote location or serious break down someone could have gotten hurt very easily. And how would anyone know if the missing person was just not kicking around the forum and were actually stranded somewhere from being left behind.

If groups are breaking off and doing there own thing don't show up to a group event. I will have none of that on runs I organize if you come out to be part of the group stick with it. There are situations where people have to leave early or have a mechanical failure and have to go back that is fine. But to show up and take off is complete BS. Trail leaders pay attention to what vehicles show up and when 3 or 4 just drop or 3 or 4 join it gets really hard to keep track of who is here and who is missing.

Finally vehicle and driver limitations. If your new don't try and outperform everyone your going to end up being a safety hazard. Either rolling your truck or injuring someone or yourself. Stick with what you can do you can't just jump in with both feet and be an expert. One of these times someone is going to have a serious breakdown/accident because of this and then it won't be just a learning experience anymore.

Even though this is not an official run there should have been enough knowledge out there to not have this much of a disaster. Just cause you take a couple days of courses doesn't mean you go to expert level after the day. Even after being to the courses some actions after still have me scratching my head. But it all comes with experience.

[Tarzan]

McLean Creek Labour Day 2009 Pictures
http://s868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/caddytwix/

[874runnersr5]

McLean Creek Labour Day 2009 Pictures
http://s868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/caddytwix/

Harry! awesome pics! totally love the ones of mine

[Tarzan]

I should have clarified the photos were taken by another person, I just drove him to the various obsticals.

[874runnersr5]

ah that guy

[freeze]

I am glad everyone is ok and all the vehicles have not been damaged!

For the un-official runs we had a discussion internally and what we need to do in light of this situation, we will have a form that the person who wants to run an un-official run will fill out so they are able to accurately post on the forum:


Who's Leading
Expected Number of Trucks
Expected Time of Return
Radio Channles (CB, FRS, VHF)
The Trail Name
Difficulty Expected
Equipment Needed
Option for CT4WD Courses Needed
ICE Forms
RSVP List
Date and Time...etc..


This will be on the forum so you can organize a proper run on your own. I agree that communication is very important and knowledge and experience helps, however, with the newer guys on the trail do ensure that those of you with the knowledge and experience take them under your wings. This is what separates us from other clubs and associations... caring about each other and wanting to help each other become better without ego.

Things happen for a reason and like Etienne said... let's use this as a learning experience as that's what these situations are there for. Now we know the weaknesses, let's make them our strengths.

I look forwards to attending some of your un-official runs in the future!!