All-Pro Hub Centric Wheel Spacers

[Tacorossa]

I see All-Pro has a nice looking set of hug centric wheel spacers on their website:
http://www.allprooffroad.com/9504tacoma ... eelspacers (http://www.allprooffroad.com/9504tacomadrivetrain/9504tacomawheelspacers)

these are the 1.5" thick 6x5.5 bolt pattern for the 05+ Tacoma.

Anyone have any experience with these? I want to spring for a set, but would like to know how they rank first. Spidertrax seems to be the most popular brand for spacers mainly because they are hub centric. These seem to be along the same design as the spidertrax, just not an anodized finish.

Also, for something small like this, would it be better to go through National or just order them directly from All-Pro? Either way, I will have to pay shipping from the US right? Unless someone is going to be in California in the next few weeks?

[BeachBoy]

All Pro will redirect you to National.

Call Natyional in BC, not the one in Calgary. He should get you good prices.. Or you should wait August for the second group buy

[freeze]

If you need them ASAP call Tyller at National 4wd in BC. He might be able to get them sent with the pallet of the group buy.

If not, if you can wait for the group buy it will save you shipping, duty and exchange. That Grpup buy will end at the end of Aug.

[Doc McCoy]

Never really understood the spacer thing. Seems like it would put unnecessary strain on your IFS and widen your turning radius. And then on top of that ... would you not get wheel rub from the increased scrub?

[Tacorossa]

Never really understood the spacer thing. Seems like it would put unnecessary strain on your IFS and widen your turning radius. And then on top of that ... would you not get wheel rub from the increased scrub?

The way I look at it is, they are really no different in terms of added strain than running different offset wheels. Most of the aftermarket wheels for the Tacoma have a 4.5" backspacing. My 4Runner wheels have a 5.5" backspacing, so the spacers would put me close to what a lot of guys already have on their aftermarket wheels.

Yes there is added strain compared to the stock setup, but the difference is mostly negligible. Nothing the Tacoma can't handle. Plus, they just make the truck look meaner with the wider stance.

[freeze]

You'll need to just keep in mind that you are running spacer's and drive accordingly. I run spacers on the 81 as the rear track is wider than the front due to the '88 rear axle.

Wider is nicer in terms of side stability. You just need to make sure that your lugs on the spacers are always properly torqued and you're running blue loc-tite. Keep an eye on your wheel bearings as well as they will be the ones that will be most strained.

I'll be running rear spacers on the Tacoma as well due to the wider width of the All-Pro LT kit.

[Heeltoe989]

I have a set of 4 in my garage for 80 bucks if anybody wants them?

I used to use them with my stock Tacoma wheels until I got the walker evans wheels.

[Brazenhead]

I have a set of 4 in my garage for 80 bucks if anybody wants them?

I used to use them with my stock Tacoma wheels until I got the walker evans wheels.


Very tempting! I'm assuming these would work with FJC stock wheels. Correct?

[freeze]

I have a set of 4 in my garage for 80 bucks if anybody wants them?

I used to use them with my stock Tacoma wheels until I got the walker evans wheels.

Post 'em in the for sale section as they will become sought after parts in this group in the future.
viewforum.php?f=38 (http://ct4wd.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=38)

[Heeltoe989]

I have a set of 4 in my garage for 80 bucks if anybody wants them?

I used to use them with my stock Tacoma wheels until I got the walker evans wheels.


Very tempting! I'm assuming these would work with FJC stock wheels. Correct?


Yup they sure would.

PS - If you interested, I will be in Calgary Next Wednesday night and Thursday afternoon before I take off to Manitoba for a camping/wheeling trip. My truck will be a Country Hills Toyota getting a few things checked over before the 1700km journey.

[freeze]

We have a coffee night at Coventry Hills on Wednesday nights! You should come by and meet the group. It's been growing steadily over time. Not all 60 members will be there but probably about 10-15 at least!

You'll definitely have to do a trip report of that one... sounds stellar!

[Heeltoe989]

We have a coffee night at Coventry Hills on Wednesday nights! You should come by and meet the group. It's been growing steadily over time. Not all 60 members will be there but probably about 10-15 at least!

You'll definitely have to do a trip report of that one... sounds stellar!


I'll contact you closer to next week and see if we can hook up next Wednesday.

[City_Rider]

Hmm... Keep us posted Heeltoe989 as I would definitely be interested in the spacers if Brazenhead doesn't take you up on them.

Although I don't have my UCA's installed I think the tires will still scrub a bit without more backspace on the rims or spacers...

[Heeltoe989]

Hmm... Keep us posted Heeltoe989 as I would definitely be interested in the spacers if Brazenhead doesn't take you up on them.

Although I don't have my UCA's installed I think the tires will still scrub a bit without more backspace on the rims or spacers...


I used these spacers to run a 32x11.5 swamper on the stock 17" TRD wheels when I got the truck, it also had stock UCA's, so you should be fine.

[City_Rider]

Hmm... Keep us posted Heeltoe989 as I would definitely be interested in the spacers if Brazenhead doesn't take you up on them.

Although I don't have my UCA's installed I think the tires will still scrub a bit without more backspace on the rims or spacers...


I used these spacers to run a 32x11.5 swamper on the stock 17" TRD wheels when I got the truck, it also had stock UCA's, so you should be fine.

Hmm... My previous post was poorly worded.

I am wondering how much my 285/70-17's will rub on the new All-Pro UCA's when I get those installed (for at the moment I can't get all the way to full lock without some rub).

I know the wheel spacers would solve my problem for sure - just want to see if I can avoid the added stress on the wheel bearings from added spacers if I can... I know it's not much force and this is only a temporary fix as new rims will be in the works sooner or later.

Definitely interested though, as said previously, keep us posted!

[Doc McCoy]

This is what I don't really understand. Is your wheel rubbing on the inside or outside part of the tire? If it's on the outer edge of the tire, wheel spacers would only make it worse.

[freeze]

Stock rims you'll rub. If you can get a rim with at least a 4.5" backspacing you'll be fine.

Like Doc said if you put spacer's on the further your wheels stick out it'll increase our chances of rubbing on the body mount.

Now you just have to see if your rubbing on the flare, body mount or lower control arm. I used to rub the lower control arm until I got the All-Pro UCA's and that was with a 4.25" backspaced wheel. That's why I ran spacers for a little while.

[Heeltoe989]

I run a 4"back space and a 285/70 17 and I rub a little bit on the body mount and fender and full stuff and really flexing, other than that I'm all good.

[Heeltoe989]

I will be bringing these to the gathering tomorrow night if all goes well and if anybody wants to save a bit of money on shipping and buy them.

[CalgaryRider]

I guess I'm kinda redirecting this thread, but thought it would be the best place to post. I just finished installing my spacers, and man does my truck ever look good!! From the looks of it, with me at stock ride hight, I will acutally stop rubbing (due the the 17 inch rims) Pics to follow, once I find the cable for my camera....

[Tacorossa]

I guess I'm kinda redirecting this thread, but thought it would be the best place to post. I just finished installing my spacers, and man does my truck ever look good!! From the looks of it, with me at stock ride hight, I will acutally stop rubbing (due the the 17 inch rims) Pics to follow, once I find the cable for my camera....

Quit teasing us... on with the pictures already!!!!

[CalgaryRider]

Ok, to recap... with the spacers my tires rub like crazy. I had to go and cut out part of the fenders. SO I guess that I will be lifting my truck earlier then expected to solve this problem! lol

[CalgaryRider]

So finally found the cable for my camera, so here are the pics!
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx222/CalgaryRider/P1040103.jpg

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx222/CalgaryRider/P1040106.jpg

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx222/CalgaryRider/P1040105.jpg

[Krazie Sj]

Lemme know how they work at Highway speeds. When I installed mine I got a shimmy that came and went. Tried to fix it 3 times with no avail. Couldn't live with it and took them back off.

Maybe I just suck at installing them.

[Tacorossa]

Please make sure to re-torque the spacers at least three times in the next few weeks. I checked mine every weekend for three weekends. First time I checked a couple of the lug nuts needed to be torqued back to spec. Last two times I checked they were fine.

I guess a rule of thumb would be to make sure you get at least two checks with no changes required.

[CalgaryRider]

I have had no issues, and I just got back from a weekend at Panorama. Victor gave me a tip, and that was to use Blue Loctite on the spacer nuts. No re-torquing required :D

I will probably check them in 3 weeks time, unless I get a shimmy earlier.

But so far I am totally loving them!

[Krazie Sj]

I used the Loctite too and no dice. *expletive deleted*. I wonder if I got a bum set. When installing the spacer did you measure the exact diameter of the hub and the spacer and make sure the space all the way around was exact? Or did you just torque them in a star pattern really well?

[CalgaryRider]

I did notice that when I was putting them on it does require a bit of finesse to get the first few nuts to sit properly in the cups but after that it was just good torquing. The instructions I downloaded said to torque the spacers to 90 ft/lbs, and I did that on a increasing scale, ie 50 ft/lbs, 70 ft/lbs then 90 ft/lbs.

I didn't measure space but I did eyeball it when the spacers were on.

Another thing I did notice was that it too quite a bit of playing around to get my rim to seat properly on the spacer, and I did have to clean a bit of road grime off the rotor/drum and rim before I could get proper seating.

[Tacorossa]

I have had no issues, and I just got back from a weekend at Panorama. Victor gave me a tip, and that was to use Blue Loctite on the spacer nuts. No re-torquing required :D

I will probably check them in 3 weeks time, unless I get a shimmy earlier.

But so far I am totally loving them!

I wouldn't put my life in the hands of blue loctite. I used it too. The thing you need to look out for is the deformation of the spacer around the lugnut hole when you torque new aluminum. Even with the loctite, I had to retorque some of the lugnuts; not because they backed off, but because of the aluminum deformation around the lugnuts.

I recommend you check the torque anyways for the little amount of effort required... We don't want anyone getting hurt! I have a warm garage and a torque wrench if you want to drop by and check them this weekend.

By the way, your truck looks great. Can't wait to see it lifted!

[freeze]

+1 even with blue loc-tite you need to re-torque until the aluminum seats properly with the hub and the wheel. Slowly and by hand so they don't seat all weird.

A wheel bouncing down Deerfoot might cause a bit of an issue! ;)

[Tacorossa]

A wheel bouncing down Deerfoot might cause a bit of an issue! ;)

I saw something similar to this a few years ago southbound macleod just south of Glenmore. It was froma jacked up Dodge Ram diesel. Unfortunately, his axle shaft was still attached to the wheel as it bounced down the road and he blew sparks right behind it.

My wife thought it was hilarious. I felt bad for the guy.

[RiceFarmer]

I checked my wheel spacers a couple of weeks ago for the first time. I checked the torque and it was up to spec. Remember, re torquing wheel spacers will break the Loctite that's why I am hesitant on re-torquing.

[Dante's Taco]

Since I have a set on order, this is all good info.

Q: couldn't one do the serial torquing like CalgaryRider said, then on the final 90 lbs torque, or the check after, then do the LocTight? (for added measure)

And how long in between going from 50 to 70 to 90? Would you do a check at say, 100-150 km, like a tire shop would?

thanks

[RiceFarmer]

Since I have a set on order, this is all good info.

Q: couldn't one do the serial torquing like CalgaryRider said, then on the final 90 lbs torque, or the check after, then do the LocTight? (for added measure)

And how long in between going from 50 to 70 to 90? Would you do a check at say, 100-150 km, like a tire shop would?

thanks

You sure can do it in those steps, that will be sure to seat them in properly. That's how I did mine. One important step is that you should clean off as much as you can with a steel brush or some fine grit sandpaper the hub-rotor face *where your spacers will sit on* as well as the hub-drum face. This will lessen the likelyhood of a vibration in case the spacers aren't sitting flat due to rust, dirt etc....

Before you put the spacers on, now is the time to do a quick once over on your front pads, rotors as well as take a quick glance at your suspension components and so on. It is also a great time to remove your rear drums (unless you're blessed with rear disk) to have a look at your brake linings, make sure your axle seals aren't leaking etc.... Hint, since your drums are off it's that much easier to clean the drum face because the studs aren't poking through. :D

[Krazie Sj]

I figured out why mine didn't work. I bought the lug centric, not the hubcentric ones. Boo!

Going to buy some more when they get them back in stock.

[Dante's Taco]

So this weekend I put my HC 1.25" spacers on.

I followed Victor's advice, and cleaned the crap out of the mounting surface with a wire brush on my air compressor. I did the install in 2 steps - first torque to 70 ft-lbs, drive for ~ 16 km, and then 2nd torque to 90 ft-lbs. Used blue lok-tight at this point (first 70 lb torque was to get the aluminium deforming) I have had the wheels off tonight for a third time @ 250 km (drove to Stettler & back) & all nuts were tight - just clicks from the wrench. No vibrations, even up to 140 km/h.

I had some nasty sounds when turning while going up a curb - had to trim a little out of the wheel well. Nothing says committed to the hobby like taking a saw to your truck! :o

Off to Sask this weekend, will check them after that 1,700 km round trip, and after that at each tire rotation.

here's some pics:

Front spacer about to go on:
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm68/dantes_taco/Wheel%20Spacers/IMG_1949.jpg

Front spacer is on:
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm68/dantes_taco/Wheel%20Spacers/IMG_1950.jpg

All done:
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm68/dantes_taco/Wheel%20Spacers/IMG_1952.jpg

Another view:
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm68/dantes_taco/Wheel%20Spacers/IMG_1953.jpg

[RiceFarmer]

Looking great Geoff! Your truck is changing every time I see it!

[CalgaryRider]

Lookin good! I think its going to be pretty easy to tell who are group members are from all of the wider stances we have now!

I have probably put 10,000 km on my truck since I did my spacers and not a single issue! (yes you read it right, I have done 10,000 km since the beginning of Jan this year...)

I really need to get my lift in so the tires stop rubbing!