Add a Toyota Leaf to All-Pro 3" pack?

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I've been running a RTT and topper with the All-Pro 3" leaf pack and it sags pretty good as the leaves aren't designed for that kind of weight. I took everything off and the truck sits properly finally.

Any thoughts on adding leaves to a leaf pack that wasn't designed for this?

I may have to upgrade to OME HD leaf pack out back.

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Well I'm gonna do a little experimenting.

All-Pro 3" leaf pack is staying but I'm going to add an OME AAL that goes in the HD leafpack for more load carrying.

Hopefully it performs well...

[Tacorossa]

Well I'm gonna do a little experimenting.

All-Pro 3" leaf pack is staying but I'm going to add an OME AAL that goes in the HD leafpack for more load carrying.

Hopefully it performs well...

Will it give you much more lift? Or mostly load carrying capabilities? Let us know how that works out for you. I've been thinking about upgrading my spacer lift in the back and am in the process of researching. Stock leafs with TSB are ok. But with the 1.5" spacer, I do notice some axle wrap especially now that my springs are getting older and softer.

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Yes axle wrap is a problem with blocks if you don't have a track bar. Specially if you get of the pavement a little.

This will provide a little more lift while increasing the load capacity. I guess we'll see how this goes as no one's really done this to these leafs before.

I believe it will provide about 1.5" more lift but increase my capacity by another 200-300lbs.

[Tacorossa]

Yes axle wrap is a problem with blocks if you don't have a track bar. Specially if you get of the pavement a little.

This will provide a little more lift while increasing the load capacity. I guess we'll see how this goes as no one's really done this to these leafs before.

I believe it will provide about 1.5" more lift but increase my capacity by another 200-300lbs.

Yeah I knew axle wrap would be a problem. The blocks were only supposed to be temporary to see how I like the stance. I was torn on whether I would keep the 2.5" lift in the front or go back to 1.75". I've decided to stay at 2.5", so now I will spend the dough on some leaf springs. AAL's or a new leaf pack.

[Dante's Taco]

I'm really interested in this, as I'm torn between the (currently on sale) All-Pro 3 inch leaf pack, and the Dakars (a wee bit more $). But I'd been worried about how badly the All-Pro's would sag in case I use my truck, to, like carry something.

Keep us posted.

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Keep us posted.


Will do for sure. Just waiting on the OME AAL to arrive then in they go. The Tacoma had a great stance without the topper and the RTT on. Nice positive rake. At least with rake you get more caster but I think I had a little too much caster and the wheels had a hard time coming back to centre.

I kinda curbed my truck today doing a little slide and it put my steering out and the camber went negative on the pass. side. Goes in for an alignment this week :rolleyes:

[mookie]

Hey Nathan, have you been to Pirate lately regarding mix and matching your All Pros?

Iirc, when I was doing my solid axle swap yrs ago, I was researching the Yota mix and match Hybrid springs to get the spring rate/load/flex I wanted.

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I remember with the 81" Mixing the leaf pack for a really nice ride and flex. I had some junker leaves from a jeep mixed with my pack at the time. Great till the leaves from te jeep cracked! I had to make due with whatever we could get our hands on as I was super broke in University!

I haven't seen anyone pulling the All-Pro set apart yet and adding leaves to the set. Here's a photo of potentially why:

http://www.allprooffroad.com/images/stories/Tacoma/suspension/reartacoleafsprings/leafspring053in600x400.jpg

the leaf staggering is so close that it'll look kinda odd not being able to match in the AAL very well. Plus the AAL is thicker as well.

Has someone on pirate mixed the All-Pro pack?

[wecoyote]

Hey nathen Standens can add leafs to packs dont add old leafs to packs its setting yourself up for failure. Talk to me before doing anything I work at a place that there main busness is leaf springs.

[mookie]

...Has someone on pirate mixed the All-Pro pack?

I was pretty sure there had been, but that was a good 4-5 yrs ago - me and memory...not so good.

[BeachBoy]

nathan, you should try your weight in my bed

see how my custom alcans fare with that kind of weight in the back.

[BeachBoy]

I'm really interested in this, as I'm torn between the (currently on sale) All-Pro 3 inch leaf pack, and the Dakars (a wee bit more $). But I'd been worried about how badly the All-Pro's would sag in case I use my truck, to, like carry something.

Keep us posted.

a custom set is $500 USD (almost par with CAD now)... might be the way to go, like I did.

[Heeltoe989]

I've been running a RTT and topper with the All-Pro 3" leaf pack and it sags pretty good as the leaves aren't designed for that kind of weight. I took everything off and the truck sits properly finally.

Any thoughts on adding leaves to a leaf pack that wasn't designed for this?

I may have to upgrade to OME HD leaf pack out back.

OME heavy duty and don't look back!!!!:cool:

PS - they also have a nice grease fitting in the first few leafs where all the weight is transfed and moves through the leaf!

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Alright... here's the update. The OME leaf is added to the All-Pro 3" pack. It was added right after the top leaf as it's a nice long leaf so won't mess with the pack like the usual add a leaf.

Most add a leafs go bottom pack or mid pack cause they're short and super arched.

The OME leaf is arched just about the same as the All-Pro and is as long as leaf #2 from the top.

I am a bit raked right now as the leaf hasn't settled, but I will have to raise the front about .25-.5".

The ride is amazingly good, it's super smooth still as it was before. The only difference... it can hold the weight of my topper, tent, hi-lift with no problems. If someone already has an All-Pro pack, this is so far a really nice solution.

I'm now waiting to see how well it flexes on the trail, however with how it rides, I'm thinking no different than before.

If you have Resi-shocks, check your nitrogen charge.. my one Fox rear resi was totally empty and the shaft just flopped in and out. Each shock was sitting at different PSI's so had them charged back up and what a feeling!

Cost for each leaf was $80 CAD

All-Pro Leaf pack is $300 USD

Pro's:
- Great weight handling
- Same All-Pro flexy ride
- Long Leaf for smooth action
- Cost

Con's
- Taking the All-Pro leaf pack apart
- Putting the All-Pro leaf pack together

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Slight update,

I have the feeling the load carrying capacity of this set up is around 600-700 LBS.

What I had this weekend:

Topper is 180 LBS
Hi-LIft 45 LBS
Tent 98 LBS
Recovery 30 LBS
Ski Gear - 200 LBS
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Total - 553 LBS

No Sag... My rear end sits pretty high even with all that weight in the back.

Potential Summer set up:

Topper is 180 LBS
Hi-LIft 45 LBS
Tent 98 LBS
Camping Gear 100 LBS
8Gal Fuel 48 LBS
8Gal Water 68 LBS
Spare Tire 55 LBS (Using Hutchinsons so don't need a spare rim)
Recovery 45 LBS
Tools 45 LBS
Lubes 40 LBS
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Total 724 LBS


Cool little calculator for liquids.
http://changingears.com/rv-sec-calc-liquid-weight.shtml

So I think I'm good to add the spare tire, fuel, water, etc. and not worry about sag...yay! We'll see how it holds!

[FrankG]

Hey Nathan did you go to Standens to get the seperate leafs and how did you added them to the all pro 3" leaf pack seeing how i ordered the same leaf pack through the group buy. I'll need to do this trick on them once they get here aswell as i have a quad to throw on the back of my truck

[gfhynes]

I ordered the same leaf pack and will be carrying heavy loads from time to time. I was looking online at a set of firestone airbags. Would these work with the increased ride height that the all-pro leafs give or is adding a leaf the only option?

[Heeltoe989]

I ordered the same leaf pack and will be carrying heavy loads from time to time. I was looking online at a set of firestone airbags. Would these work with the increased ride height that the all-pro leafs give or is adding a leaf the only option?

They may work until you flex the truck out, but if you can, find a set of long travel airbags so you don't rip the Firestone ones apart. This is why I use OME Dakars, good loading and good flex.

[freeze]

I ordered the same leaf pack and will be carrying heavy loads from time to time. I was looking online at a set of firestone airbags. Would these work with the increased ride height that the all-pro leafs give or is adding a leaf the only option?

It would be easier and more cost effective if you just throw in OME's leaf to the pack. It also depends on how much you'll be off-road? If you do see the trail the air bags could
have the potential of getting punctured.

With OME's leaf to the All-Pro pack, it's super flexy off-road and the ride is quite impressive still. Full out on washboards last night and it just floats with the Fox 2.0 resi's. I wasn't aired down for the gravel washboards either.

I'm very impressed with the ride with this set up.

[freeze]

Hey Nathan did you go to Standens to get the seperate leafs and how did you added them to the all pro 3" leaf pack seeing how i ordered the same leaf pack through the group buy. I'll need to do this trick on them once they get here aswell as i have a quad to throw on the back of my truck

Hey Frank, sorry I missed you're Q!

I got my leaf through Shane at National For a super good price. It's quite simple, the leaf is quite long so it goes in second from the top leaf in the All-Pro pack. So just under the military wrap leaf.

Just have to pry the retaining clips apart and then unbolt the pack. Stick in the leaf.

The length of the leaf is what keeps the ride quality from All-Pro the same. It doesn't interfere with their design. Just adds more capacity.

[ljtuck]

So I was just reading through this thread and something stopped me:

"TENT 98lbs" I was thinking "Dude, that's one heavy tent." Then I realized what RTT stood for ;-)

[FrankG]

Thanks Nathan for the info just waiting for some more funds to get my front suspension stuff than i'm gonna throw it all in at once